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23andMe DNA confirmed Muggah-Payne connection

Cynthia July 14, 2012, I started  corresponding with my new cousin  S.  Buckner on His great-great-grandmother is Cynthia Muggah Payne. She is the sister of my great-grandfather Milton Muggah. S. Buckner is one of several newly met cousins that I correspond from and Facebook. My adult sons would teased me about talking to strangers. But I would say they are not strangers they are my cousins, we just didn’t know each other for a couple of decades due to families moving away from Patterson, Louisiana, the Bayou Teche (Tesh) Well S. Buckner recently did the 23andMe DNA test. It confirmed that I and S. Buckner were cousins. We share DNA from Cynthia’s and Milton’s parents. The DNA could have been from mother Arabella Harper or the presumed father Muggah. I think S. Buckner was took back, when I said it was official, because in reality we already felt that we were cousins, it is the genealogist in us. But today as I was looking at the Facebook cousins that S. Buckner introduced to me last year, which I don’t talk to them on the same level as I do with S. Buckner…I saw them as my cousins…we share a 3rd or 4th great-grandparent. Cynthia and Rev. John Payne had about 8 known children.

Arabella Rosie Payne 1875

Cynthia Payne 1878

Evelina Payne 1880

Ella Payne 1882

John M Payne Jr. 1884

Nathaniel J Payne 1887

Earl Erastaus Payne 1889 – 1971

Theophius T Payne 1891 – 1965


Cynthia’s daughter Arabella Roxie Payne born 1875

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Cynthia’s son  Earl Erastaus Payne born  23 Jun 1889 in Patterson Louisiana. He worked in the Saw Mill for several years.  Earl married Allie Virginia Murphy. They had children Helen, Earl, Ada, Landon and Alice. Earl Erastaus Payne moved the family Flint Michigan by 1924.


Earl’s wife Allie Murphy as a child.

                                                                                               Buckner2                                                                                                    Buckner 1

                      Helen and her brother Earl Murphy Payne

Photos courtesy of S. Buckner                                                                                 


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23andMe DNA Ancestry Composition

In 5th grade, I had done a project on where my ancestors originated from before they eventually came to the United States. Of course I did not know what country in Africa, where my ancestors came from. Had no clue, unlike Alex Haley who had oral history that at least one branch of ancestors were Mandinka. There was no oral history about Africa in my was just assumed due to our appearance, and the history of slavery my ancestors originated in Africa. I chose Kenya for my project. I am sure my decision was based on their flag.

Now had you ask me what country in Africa would had I picked three years ago, due to my testing  with 23andMe DNA. I would have chosen Ethiopia due to my mitochondrial haplogroup  L1b1a, which is found exclusively among in Ethiopia and Sudan today. It appears to have arrived in those countries about 15,000 years ago. Somewhere in the area of Ethiopia and Sudan is my motherland. My mother’s mother’ mother’s and so on motherland. But that is only one branch, my DNA states that I am 62.5 % percent Sub-Saharan African. So where did my other African branches come from?

Yesterday I just got an update on my 23andMe ancestry composition.

43.5% West Africa, 0.9% Central Africa and South Africa, and 18.1% Nonspecific


Map of overview of slave trade out of Africa 1500-1900

On 23andMe, there is Ancestry finder portion which tells me my possible  23andMe cousin’s grandparent location.

One unknown cousin who has 4 grandparents from Nigeria.  My mother has 2 unknown cousins/4 grandparents.

One known cousin with minimum conversation who has 4 grandparents from Cote d’Ivoire. (Paternal)

One known cousin who has 4 grandparents from Columbia. (My maternal side)

One unknown cousin who has 4 grandparents in Dominican Republic.

One known cousin who has 4 grandparents in Mexico. (Maternal and Paternal)

One unknown cousin who has 4 grandparents in Jamaica. (Maternal and Paternal)

My maternal uncle has one cousin who has 4 grandparents in Belize.

My paternal aunt has one cousin who has 4 grandparents from Tanzania.

Paternal aunt has one cousin who has 4 grandparents from Chile.

Luckie Daniels has been corresponding with 23andMe: Lucky asked the AAGSAR members to post any questions that we might have for 23and me

23andMe QUESTIONS/ANSWERS: Alright folks, here we go:

Hey Luckie,
Apologies for the length of this email, I wanted to address all of the questions fully. I hope this helps clear up some questions you and your readers might have!

1. When will the Ancestry Composition be updated for everyone?

In order to receive results that include the new populations, profiles will be enqueued for computation on the updated version of Ancestry Composition. These computations will occur on a rolling basis, so there is no specific timeline for receiving these updated results. Some customers will see these results before others.

2. Since the FDA changes currently prevent some activities, can we expect more updates and changes with our Ancestry tools, and presentations, etc.?

We will continue to improve our Ancestry product, with projects like the African Ancestry Project. Stay tuned to our blog, for any future announcements on specific projects or developments. 

3. How many participants in the African Descendants Project?

The African Ancestry Project is currently around 200 participants from a wide range of countries. We are currently focusing on recruiting from some countries that are underrepresented in the project right now, including Benin, Togo, and Guinea. 

4. How many samples do they think they’ll need to further differentiate ethnic groups, not just regional groups for SSA?

We don’t have an exact number for that. Currently, reference populations vary greatly in size. Our smallest reference population is the Yakut people (eastern Russia), with only 25 samples. Currently, we have 621 samples included in the sub-Saharan African reference population. 

Our reference populations come from within 23andMe and from public sources, including the Human Genome Diversity Project, HapMap and the 1000 Genomes project. 

Populations may be inherently difficult to distinguish because of historical mixing, or we might not have had enough data to tell them apart. As we obtain more data, populations will become easier to distinguish.

Read all about Ancestry Composition and how we create reference populations.

A tool that I would recommend is the Countries of Ancestry feature. 

Within this feature, we combine information from your DNA Relatives matches (regardless of whether you have made contact or revealed your identities to one another) and those matches’ answers to the Where Are You From? ancestry survey. Say you have a DNA Relatives match who shares a 14.3 cM stretch of chromosome 20 with you. If that person said that all four of their grandparents were born in Nigeria, Ancestry Finder will mark that segment with four colored strips (one for each grandparent).

As participants from the African Ancestry Project start to answer survey questions and get their results back, they will be included within the pool of potential DNA Relative matches. Existing 23andMe customers will be able to see if they share segments of DNA with these individuals.

5. Are they asking questions about ethnic groups, not just 4 gps from the same country? 

Yes, we ask participants to name any tribal, ethnic or linguistic affiliations that they may have. We recognize that some participants may have 4 grandparents of the same tribal background, who might not be all from the same country. We have included these participants within the study. 

6. Why is there a large segments of Nonspecific sub-Saharan African with the majority of people that have the updated changes. Will 23andMe eventually updated these segments? Are we still waiting from samples of East Africa/ non North Africa?

First, let me clarify what the term “non-specific” means.

If a piece of DNA is found all over Sub-Saharan Africa, like in Nigeria, Ethiopia, Botswana, and Zimbabwe, but not outside Sub-Saharan Africa, Ancestry Composition will label that DNA “Nonspecific Sub-Saharan African.” 

It is possible that these segments may be assigned to a more specific group in the future, perhaps within the next Ancestry Composition update. As we obtain more data, populations will become easier to distinguish.

7. Why the significant shift in numbers? I’m happy with my increase in other ethnic compositions, I noticed my sub-Saharan African numbers dropped from 89.9% to 88.2%

As we update our reference data, it will not be uncommon to see slight shifts in your Ancestry Composition over time, such as a shift of 1.7%.

Keep in mind that the knowledge of ancestral genetics is also continually evolving. The field is not static and new discoveries are being made every day. At 23andMe we strive to keep pace with the current science and keep our customers up to date on new findings.


Posted by on December 6, 2013 in DNA


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